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Post by DeathwingSWE on Feb 20, 2004 7:00:26 GMT -5
Now vote which sword pawns the other one ;D
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Post by narsilLOTR on Feb 24, 2004 19:01:23 GMT -5
*cough* this is so senseless ya know, you cant compare them at all actually....if you want to really say which one is better, then you need to have 2 warriors that are exactly same strenght, and then each takes one sword.... well to be honest, it could be 10000000000000 people voting for gurthang, I wouldnt care, narsil is the best sword ever, theres no doubt about this. just repeating 2 facts : _without the great sword narsil, sauron wouldnt lose the ring and so they world woudl have fallen into darkness, no one knows for how long. AND Elendil and his sword just made this victories possible, without them, there wouldnt have been any fight at mt doom! _Gurthang fought with turin, thats true, gave him great reputation, but turin also got big bonus by his ...err sry lack the word, the thing on his head and someone said "elendil just killed some orcs" well gurthang did the same actually, most of the time killing orcs....but was that really due to the sword? I think more to this great warrior that turin was. and yes ok, gurthang killed a dragon. but what is a dragon compared to the dark lord that would rule the world? btw I dont consider this dragon as the best one, ok he wasnt that dumb, but he was slow and couldnt fly, it was the first melkor did, so he wasnt so skilled in making dragons then ^^ last is that gurthang maybe helped by killing some orcs/dragon and defending realms, but it also caused death of one of the greatest heroes in beleriand, beleg strongbow. Actually I think we should make a difference between the "best" and the "strongest" sword. I mean, guys like Beleg, beren, earendil, Elendil etc were obviously great heroes, but others like Eorl or Turin were great warriors, Turin did good action, but thats not all, he also did many bad actions, thats why he cant be compared to the only good guys. Same goes with gurthang, you can say it was made sharper, but narsil was the better one in the actions. Make the best sword ever and dont use it, then it wont be really great, make a mighty sword, though not best, but use it alot to save world, then this 2nd sword is the better one...=>narsil
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Post by ForsakenOne on Feb 25, 2004 11:22:10 GMT -5
wrong wrong wrong Let me enlighten you
The "thing" Turin wore on his head was the Helm of -Hador and he wore this when he was a very young man only..not at the same time as Gurthang -Sauron couldve had the ring cut from his finger by any sword..it just happened to be Narsil.Y'know they didnt force him to the ground and cut it off! It was a mistake by Sauron -Turins good points WAY MORE THAN OUTNUMBER the bad. Lets take a look shalll weee...
Good Points -Turin takes pity on Mim when his son is shot.Sounds pretty nice to me... -Turin kills the greatest and most fearsome Dragon of the Time -Turin becomes one of Nargothronds captains -Turin tries to rescue Finduilas -Turin slays countless orcs -Turin was never slain by any foe, he killed himself Bad Points -Turin kills Beleg..by accident..
now lets look at this great hero Elendil shall we?
Elendil Good points... -erh has a sword that cuts Saurons finger off? -Gets wrestled to death by Sauron.. -umm..Has a beard? Elendil Bad Points -Gave birth to Isildur who is evil in his own way also if Turin is..(doesnt destroy the ring)
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Post by ForsakenOne on Feb 25, 2004 11:25:29 GMT -5
OMFG
the only dragon stronger than Glaurung was Ancalagon the Black
He was absolutely efuckingnormous. -He can cast spells on ppl..Nienor.. -He could incinerate entire armies -He was practically indestructible for the most part cos of his scales.
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Post by Kieron on Feb 25, 2004 17:13:34 GMT -5
Turin takes pity on Mim when his son is shot.Sounds pretty nice to me... -Turin kills the greatest and most fearsome Dragon of the Time -Turin becomes one of Nargothronds captains -Turin tries to rescue Finduilas -Turin slays countless orcs -Turin was never slain by any foe, he killed himself Bad Points -Turin kills Beleg..by accident..
well there ure just describing the hero himself
at the end of the day this is no longer about Narsil or Gurthang its about those who wielded it, Erendil and Turin
But what made the swords special was Gurthang was cursed (bad thing) while Narsil became a symbol of the kings and i guess people would of rallyed to it, and it was brought back in shards in great honour
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Post by DeathwingSWE on Feb 26, 2004 5:00:00 GMT -5
Gurthang is also older than narsil it was named Anglachel before it was reforged into Gurthang so u can trace the sword back to before the first age began. Narsil however was forged in the first age.
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Post by ForsakenOne on Feb 26, 2004 10:11:01 GMT -5
erh..Eol made Anglachel, (the reason why it was cursed) Eol held much hatred for a lot of stuff and it went into his blades(Anglachel and Anguriel(Eols Sword later stolen by his son Maeglin the betrayer)) Narsil (is said) to be forged by Telchar, Greatest Smith of Dwarfs. They were both made at a pretty simialair time y'see.. Gurthang wasnt strictly evil. Anglachel was the evil blade remember. Anglachel is the blade that slain Beleg but Turin reforged it to Gurthang which he used only to honour Beleg.
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Post by noghi on Feb 26, 2004 10:53:39 GMT -5
Well....it was also turins fault that Nargothrond died so fast, if they hadint builded that large bridge on turins advise, nor going out in open battle agaisnt a much bigger army, that was all turins fault. Elendil probably did kill sauron with narsil, but gil-galad could have killed him aswell, all narsil did was the cut the ring of sarurons dead body. Both swords sucks. Glamdring is the true man sword, serverd a real high elven king, after take by trolls, and after quite a while, also used by Gandalf in his struggle agaisnt the balrog.
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Post by Kieron on Feb 26, 2004 13:58:32 GMT -5
plz noghi...for the love of god....dont bring a 3rd sword into this...
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Post by infernal on Feb 27, 2004 18:31:20 GMT -5
lol you can't call giving birth to Isildur a bad point, all men would be corrupted by the ring so you can't call Isildur evil, then the whole race of men is. And on Narsil is it a good point if his wielder gets wrestled down by an evil foe?
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Post by ForsakenOne on Feb 28, 2004 7:11:52 GMT -5
no not all men are corrupted by the ring cough cough ARAGORN in case u didnt notice.
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Post by Kieron on Feb 28, 2004 10:15:45 GMT -5
he will was a bit stronger and he chose to keep away from the ring....never getting himself too close to it
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Post by MMG_God on Feb 29, 2004 1:01:03 GMT -5
ok....this arguements been going on as long as this forums been goin on lol......and u guys arent comparing swords anymore ur comparing the wielders....as far as accomplishments for the SWORDS themselves, not the wielders, narsil was greater...i mean it defeated sauron for fucks sake, and gurthangs only real accomplishment was defeating glaurung who doesnt even compare to sauron when he had the ring although he was a powerful enemy
Dont bring up the fact that one sword killed countless orcs because they both did.....and dont bring up anything about its wielder either.....also killing beleg cant really fit into accomplishments, thats more of an opposite. So while i personally like Gurthang better im gonna have to say as long as were comparing swords only narsil is better (if we were comparing owners gurthang/turin combo would pwn elendil/narsil)
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Post by ForsakenOne on Feb 29, 2004 8:48:25 GMT -5
it wasnt Narsil itself that cut Saurons finger off it was Isildur so u can really say the sword did that can you?
And i dont think u know quite how strong Glaurung was.. Morgoth was always outnumbered in the battles..Glaurung/Gothmog buried millions
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Post by noghi on Feb 29, 2004 10:13:28 GMT -5
Where does it say narsil killed sauron?? narsil only cutted the ring of saurons dead body. Yet i think glamdring is the coolest sword, it havint done anything bad nor anything really great.
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