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Post by narsilLOTR on Jan 14, 2004 10:31:23 GMT -5
well u know it wud be crap if u make nation team1=nationteam2....i mean u cant say that all nations that r opposed shud have exactly same strength, maybe fs is bit weaker than naz (which i doubt) but to counter that good team has elves and dwarfs 2 that can kill naz!
the nations r all different, fs is best hero killer and not only naz, thats their force, its good support 2....
and if winged just make hitz and run u can be sure a good fs heals the focused one and just used gandalfs ultimate to stun one, then gimli on the same and maybe legolas arrow...+with boromirs heal fs may not lose anything...
i think naz and fs r just different, and u know that most of the games, if one reaches lvl6, the game is lost 4 the other team answays....i mean naz lvl6 AND fs lvl6 isnt common....the game is often up be4 u reach lvl6..and think about the fact that evil isnt wining more than good and vice versa...thjat shows up the balance!
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Post by ViEDarklord on Jan 14, 2004 12:18:00 GMT -5
Aye as narsil said, besides drage we both agreed on the fact that that game was too laggy for a conclusive test (he couldn't effectively wave I couldn't heal or even have on hold work :/
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Post by BaronDrage on Jan 14, 2004 13:19:46 GMT -5
furthermore the naz are certainly not overpowered in b17 I think I have proven that by beating aragorn in a 1 on 1 with a level 6 fs vs a level 6 naz (lost 2 hobbits got all naz) why you say this then?  |
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Post by Towelie on Jan 15, 2004 4:31:00 GMT -5
well i have lost all my elf heroes to a massive wave attack from naz so i cant exactly agree that they are bad vs heroes, and they ahve the easiest way to level fast cuz of their unlimited wave damage, put a cap on teh wave damage or something as it is in real wc3 that should clear alot up, not much teh dwarfs and elfs can do with their small units getting nuked to hell
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Post by infernal on Jan 15, 2004 8:11:24 GMT -5
first of all towelie it's not wise to confront a good naz alone if ure elves, then ure sure to lose unless you outlevel him (which I doubt). and second of all a good dwarf/elf doesnt go around feeding naz he rather loses like dale then gives naz a lvl or two and losing dale so see my point a good naz can easily lvl slower than fs if he meets pro's who dun feed him at all.. and btw vie baron is right with that it's much easier just to fly over a mountain and flank the fs and woops half fs is dead before you even notice he's there..
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Post by infernal on Jan 15, 2004 8:17:56 GMT -5
I also think I should share a bit with you ppl out there cause I know some how 17-d is going to be compared to 17-c so contact me or the map maker if you think these are totally odd changes..
due to imbalance good team is going to be nerfed (means you down it) a lot, for instance
gondor spawns will be weakened a lot since in 17c they could take mordor and harad ALONE which clearly they shouldnt be able to..
elves will be nerfed, elven heroes will all lose about 50 hp and elven troops will lose most of their magic resistance..
fs will be made slower and gimlis stun maybe nerfed a bit..
dwarves will also be weakened, beorns heal will be nerfed to 25 I think instead for 50 or so like it is now, dwarven stuns will also be nerfed a bit (like gimlis)..
well that's as much as I know but just so you know these arent decided yet so some of these changes might not happen or some new might be added etc..
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Post by narsilLOTR on Jan 15, 2004 10:18:37 GMT -5
well inf plz tell this guy that made the 17c version that the thing i hate MOST is denethor....the flame shud get the heavier range back, even with this little range he can still flame towers with units and healers, but in defense and heavy (laggy) fight in gondor, he needs to be away from the pulk...and most of all, this gay fucking dumb ultimate he got is the worst thing ive ever seen in any rw!!!!!!!!!! make gondor heroes just same as in b17 then it wud be fine, drop imrahils aura and faramirs ensnare if u feel it makes gondor 2 strong to make em as in b17....but give me ressurce back  |
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Post by Kieron on Jan 16, 2004 8:23:22 GMT -5
i forgot what denethors ulitmate is and whys its so daft...
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Post by infernal on Jan 16, 2004 17:43:48 GMT -5
I'll talk to him nars.. drisc it's a very good faerie fire, 8 armor reduction or so..
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Post by narsilLOTR on Jan 17, 2004 7:52:19 GMT -5
might be good fearie fire, but still its so useless....give me a ressurec and im happy
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Post by infernal on Jan 17, 2004 10:25:04 GMT -5
it's very effective vs trolls actually..
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Post by infernal on Jan 22, 2004 12:04:50 GMT -5
the rw beta 17-d is coming up..
well and it's going to be beta tested, so we've gotta fix 9 pro rw players (+ me, vie and fcu) that can help test it, and they must be pro!! so if you think ure among those 12 pro's dont hesitate to tell me or vie.. thats all for now!
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Post by narsilLOTR on Jan 22, 2004 15:59:35 GMT -5
well i dun think fcu likes me so much, but if u consider me as pro enuf, then i can help u....if im online of course  |
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Post by Iluvatar on Jan 22, 2004 16:13:09 GMT -5
i would help too if u like
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Post by ElfMageKoDA on Jan 23, 2004 2:43:10 GMT -5
I'll talk to him nars.. drisc it's a very good faerie fire, 8 armor reduction or so.. srry inf but in 17-c denethor ultimate aint fearie fire, its called " denethors menace " and when cast on a units or hero u will see what it sees ( heroes 60 sec, units 120 sec) wich i think is very USELESS! |
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